Felipe Massa and his legal team have begun a legal process against the FIA & FOM regarding the 2008 F1 season, in which they believe the response to the 2008 Singapore GP Crashgate scandal was not dealt with properly � leading to Massa losing the title to Lewis Hamilton by just one point. We've spoken to a key lawyer in Massa's case, Bernardo Viana, to find out more, as Jon Noble and Alex Kalinauckas analyse the legal case and discuss the wider impact it may have on the future of F1.
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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fri-am-exclusive-why-massas-legal-team-believes-it-can-bring-the-trophy-home/10517370/
0:00 Massa's Lawsuit Explained
3:19 Why Now?
5:06 The Goals of the Lawsuit
6:49 Legal Confidence
8:01 Ferrari & Hamilton's Involvement
11:01 FIA/FOM's Limited Time
12:59 Affecting Abu Dhabi 2021
15:40 F1, Massa & The Future
18:41 Money vs Answers
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What amazing is how massa and his lawyers are already deciding the outcome of the ruling. They want to declare the whole race as void or return to the lap when massa was leading. how convinient 😂😂
When the only logical ruling will be to delete the result of Renault team which will still make Lewis a world champion
@user-jh2ts2eb4q Says:
2021 completely different, outcome decided and finalised. This was illegally hidden.
@bertram-raven Says:
It is highly disingenuous to say this story would have been ignored if the 2023 season had been more interesting. It is very silly for a journalist to make such a comment.
@bertram-raven Says:
If FiA/FOM had not known anything about what had transpired and had not tried to hide it, Massa would have had little chance of winning this case. However, the underhanded deliberate inaction by the FiA and FOM in an attempt to create a "technical defence" as to their culpability regarding the illegal actions of Renault when they knew within days of that race (according to BE), the case is very much over in the minds of everyone except the Rabid Hamsters.
@philspencelayh5464 Says:
If anything comes of this then they are opening a large economy size can of worms. Most championships have dodgy events somewhere in them that if dealt with differently could retrospectively change results.
@fredrikfurtenback8790 Says:
Here we go agian, Netflix fans trying to compare Abu21 to this......
@MrSitemaster2 Says:
I can't see Massa getting the title, as McLaren and Hamilton could argue they would have have raced differently in the following races, if they knew more points were needed to win the title.
@stevepolius-nx8ip Says:
Not gonna happen
To much money at stake
Oh an if this gose on
Then rightly so is
Lewis should be given his 2021 title fact 😡💯😡
@mpilombuyazi1411 Says:
Imagine Lewis fights 2008 and 2021 and wins both.
@88luda88 Says:
Hamilton taking another shit on Brazil and Brazillian drivers
@Byronthegooner Says:
As a massa fan loved him since his sauber days in 2001/02 the 2008 season hurt me and the fact that f1 knew about crash gate and still did not void the points for the race? Regardless of Ferrari if crash didn't happen massa would have walked that race and built a big gap of points for Lewis to catch up so "is that glock" wouldn't have mattered
@MattGP01 Says:
Jean Todt, when he was still FIA president, said he knew the crash was on purpose in 2008... surprised it's taken this long for things to emerge. If I remember correctly he said so on the Beyond the Grid podcast.
@teague10plays70 Says:
I hope he gets every penny he can but the championship shouldnt be touched. The FIA has done enough damage to Lewis Hamiltons career.
@skipsgolden79 Says:
If Massa does get the 2008 world championship then Lewis should get the 2021 world championship on both occasions it’s down to the FIA breaking there own rules
@Snaakie83 Says:
Its primarily Englanders who are constantly clutching for straws to redo Abu Dhabi.
Theres no link between the cases.
Abu Dhabi saw a racing director making a decision to end the season racing, as was agreed on before the race.
Beit the best decision, or even legal doesn't matter, Max, nor Red Bull cheated in that race which makes the comparison useless.
But surely, the British press keeps fuming and hating on anything foreign, so they're happy to feed the hatred.
@JamesSmith-yl4sm Says:
There is talk about Ferrari receiving compensation based on the outcome.....forgive me.....i havent crunched the numbers....are there any other teams who may have benefitted / deprived points and subsequently gained an advantage / disadvantage in the championship ? what is their recourse for potential compensation based on the outcome of the championship ? for example 6th vs 7th place in the overall running?
@lphoulihan Says:
If only massa wasn't to busy trying to make himself dizzy at Silverstone, this wouldn't even be a conversation 🤷🏻♂️
@sagnikbiswas Says:
Lulu can only win by cheating , 2008, 2023 ruining piastri race, 2021 Silverstone profession foul, and so on
@24jake28 Says:
I don't have an opinion either way nor would I say this should or shouldn't be in the courts BUT as a new fan to F1 since 2017 I'm fairly sure that a large % of F1 championships could easily be reviewed and legally disputed just like this.... Damon hill vs Schumacher in Adelaide could easily be "looked at" and also Hamilton vs Verstappen in 2021 that call the fia made in that race LITERALLY took Lewis's 8th title right away from him. This just feels kinda dangerous for the legitimacy of basically every F1 championship in history that was close and had controversy.
@steveneiffel8227 Says:
I believe that mercedes even considered a sport court outside FIA for 2021, so NO, you actually CAN go to other courts. So are you sure?
@steveneiffel8227 Says:
Its in a line of incidents like Monaco with Checo. Good it gets looked at.
@Mi-Chis Says:
The difference is in 2021 nobody cheated and nothing was hidden to make the fia look better.
The only communality between 2008 and 2021 is that one team benefited from fia decisions and another one didn’t. If the fia would change 2021 the situation is exactly as it was before, one team would benefit from fia decisions and another one would not, just the other way round.
Now If latifi willams crashed on purpose with the objection to manipulate the race and the fia knew, a comparison between the two seasons would be appropriate, but we have no reason to believe that was the case…
@mrbungle3310 Says:
Nothing will fix the heartbreak i got as a 7-8yold watching massa losing his title
@IamHailey8 Says:
Removing only Renault rom that race doesn't make sense as what they did affected everyone's positions differently and completely altered the grid. They didn't just benefit themselves by, for example, improving their car illegally and everyone else's positions behind them was just moved down by one place. In this case, the grid itself was changed completely by it.
@WjC00LEY Says:
He’ll get a bag and no metal.
@eddietaikokfoo Says:
Massa... this is motosport.
@IceCreamMan1909 Says:
Interesting case. Great professional coverage by the channel. In addition to everything mentioned I think this also comes at time when F1 is working on expanding its calendar and popularity in other countries, particularly the USA. I’m not sure what Liberty Media would have to say about this but it sure seems that a mark of corruption, potential conspiracy and injustice doesn’t help with the image of the sport we all love so much.
@Meine.Postma Says:
Oh come on Felipe, if you google number 2 driver you get Massa, Barrichello, Bottas, Perez, etc.
@keithsoonoriginal Says:
In regards of Ferrari we have to keep in mind that Ferrari in 2008 was not only a different team but also a different company. So in a way, what happened in 2008 is not applying to Ferrari in 2023. Only same thing with Ferrari is that current entity carries the history but as for company it is a different company formed in mid 2010s.
Legally speaking, Peugeot could actually get behind Felipe Massa and they have all the right to do so if they wish. For those who do not know and wonder how Peugeot fits in, the legal entity of Scuderia Ferrari belongs to Peugeot today as Ferrari was owned by a Fiat that is owned by a Peugeot today while Ferrari now is a independent company since 2016 or 17.
@project182r3 Says:
Just issuing compensation is admission of guilt, therefore Massa is champion, whether it is on record or not.
@bsays1149 Says:
I feel its A damn shame that the NO1 racing sport that people follow all over the world is so corrupted, Like anything in life if you leave to much power in the wrong hands it will be abused from time to time, F1 for my opinion has often failed in so many ways when making proper human common sense decisions and this goes back even as far as Senna Crashing into his team mate and winning the Championship, F1 I feel gets caught up with who they like or furfure over making the correct decisions and as a fan that is so frustrating. Senna Cheated when he crashed for the 1989 championship, Michael did it in 94, and F1 failed to make sure those things wasn't accepted and let the drivers get away with it.
moving on to Massa we all knew Renault cheated but yet was aloud to let Alonso and Renault to win the race and the Biggest corrupted F1 fail was Abi Dhabi where we was all able to hear and see with our own eyes The Race Director and FIA Failing to make the correct decisions with little to no consequence. F1 should not be aloud to police its self They have to many old heads who refuse to change and adapt and 21 was the year F1 will always forever be remembered as cheating for the show over the principle of a fair race. SHAME ON THEM.
@lucybarney1 Says:
Ironic that 2021 result is questionable as well , was there pressure to make somebody else a world champion other than Lewis
@lordchutney9000 Says:
I don’t think you can change a result because people did thing you didn’t like.
@sweetcorn1968 Says:
Are we taking morality lessons from Bernie Ecclestone now! God help humanity if that’s the case.
@kwan3560 Says:
The reason Mercedes withdrew their protest even when they have an ironclad case, is not because they think the WMSC is part of FIA, but the fact that according to the rules as they are written in the rule book, the only course of action for the council would be to invalid the result of the Abu Dhabi GP, and Verstappen would still win the title with the tie breaker. There is no avenue for Mercedes to successfully put Hamilton on top of the result that night.
@mondodimotori Says:
This legal case is getting more ridiculus the more time it goes on.
@proesterchen Says:
It's really not helpful nor pertinent to act as if this legal proceeding has anything to do with 2021.
@reedharper7013 Says:
This is an interesting switch. Through reading it seemed as though Massa was bringing this up for the "loss of earnings" had he won. BUT, if this is purely about MORALITY and I say this because the actual truth is out. We all know what we know and what is CLEAR is tht once again the FIA have covered up somnething and then later down discipline the perpetrator without regard for the how it changed the ENTIRE outcome. This is VERY similar to that 5sec penalty for causing a collision where the one who caused the collision gets the 5 sec penalty and the other guy who is the victim has to pit and change his wing dropping out of he points while the perpetrator goes on to race and MAY lose a place OR be able to stay ahead and protect his position by gaining the 5 secs, this cannot be fair.
If this is MORALITY and we want to change the way the FIA govern, then I am onboard because, the FIA have done a piss poor job at governing themselves over MANY years and I do think it is time for disputes to be handled outside the FIa because it is CLEAR they cannot do it. Specifically after Abu Dhabi 2021, the stink is still in the air.
@custard131 Says:
i reckon another sticking point for Ferrari joining the fight would be Domenicali who has switched sides in the 15 years since
i do still feel bad for Massa, the last minute of that race is one of the most heartbreaking things i can ever remember seeing in sport of any kind, i cant see the result being overturned though, and im not sure it would be a good thing if it did, an apology and financial compensation feel like the only things that would be on the table.
even they feel like they will be tricky to get given the most likely mode of correction would be to disqualify Alonso and shift everyone else up 1 position.
while ofc any talk of rewriting the f1 history books is going to include Abu Dhabi 2021, i personally feel like Hamilton has even less chances, with singapore 2008 there are 4 possible outcomes (keep result, dq alonso, write off the entire race, classify based on positions at the time of the incident) and 2 (write off / time of the incident) of them would make massa champion, with abu dhabi 2021 there are 3 (keep result, write off the entire race, classify based on positions at time of the incident) and only 1 (time of the incident) makes Lewis champion, i also feel like with 2021 there were a lot more decisions than just the safety car in the final round. Max and Lewis both fought dirty that year and i expect if it started looking like results were going to be overturned in 1 direction the other would protest one of the other results.
hopefully the FIA wont have to deal with controversy around who wins this years championship
@YanniEhm Says:
If the FIA knew and did nothing. They must give the championship to Massa.
This is very serious; Renualt conspired and cheated.
Abu Dhabi is a very different situation. FIA officials make the rules, and they choose to finish the race or not, whether Mercedes liked it or anyone else had a problem with it,
What went on with Massa is casting a huge shadow on FIA. Massa was leading the race comfortably, and what happened in the Ferrari pit with the refueling hose only happened because Piquet was told by the Renault team to crash his car. This is a mess.
Nulling the Brazilian race or rolling it back to lap 14 makes sense, but it comes with its own
problems, FIA has to admit to some shady practices.
@ronaldderooij1774 Says:
I don't quite see the comparison to Abu Dabi 2021, to be honest. There was no foul play there. The decision was unusual and maybe even illegal. But that was not some team/driver combination frustrating the race willingly. As for Massa, I think he is far too late. I don't think the UK High Court will change the outcome. In my experience, judges and law have very little to do with "what is morally right". And that is painful, although I see why it is that way.
@darrenwalters6339 Says:
If this is he case then the 2021 title is going the hamilton and he’s a 7 times champion either way?
And how far do you go? Sennas 1990 title is given to Prost as senna deliberately took Prost about and admitted it at Suzuka?
@mdg163 Says:
My understanding is that Massa isn't actually looking to have the result changed, but admittance that he should've rightfully won the championship.
Also compensation for the potential earnings that being champion would've presented.
There is always the chance that my understanding is completely wrong.
@emiel1976ep Says:
In the end it is all about 2021. They still try to let it look like Hamilton hit stolen and that it wasn't according the rules.
The fact us, is that it was according the rules. What makes that there was noting to investigate.
By Massa it is an other story. There it was managed behind closed doors and there was no action taken to what happened.
Massa is the champion, just as Verstappen is from 2021!
@philliptiestopl1511 Says:
NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN MASSA SAD LITTLE MAN OH AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN 2023 BORING BORING THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON
@ralphe5842 Says:
That’s a big stretch particularly as Massa didn’t do that well in the race and it wasn’t a team involved in the championship that year really you could only delete all the teams points. And there was no team cheating in Abudabi
@cmartin_ok Says:
What about Spa that year when the FIA invented a new rule, applied it retrospectively, and took a legitimate win away from Hamilton giving the win to Massa who had never been near the lead of the race?
@Fpvpilot928 Says:
Is there any president for a race to be fully thrown out for a single team cheating. When Schumacher intentionally crashed into his title rival... twice, in two different championship years, Schumacher's quali crash in Monaco, Fernando is faster than you with Massa and Alonso, Tyrell's lead/fuel ballast, every time a car is underweight or under fueled, etc. They don't throw out race and championship results over a single team cheating. If they can prove that the rest of the teams were in on crashgate to help win Hamilton the championship, Massa might have a case.
@DavidJohnson-dc8lu Says:
If Massa was to MUG Lewis's Singapore 6 points from him, the Fia could probably revert the Spa 2008 win, hand Lewis back the win that was mugged off from him for a rule that never existed (wait to the second corner before being allowed to overtake?), giving him 4 points and placing Massa second giving him 8 points, making the 6 points reset. Then maybe he will get over it.
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