Dope Tech Episode 2

<<@davidellis1923 says : Come back, why? And current contracts would prevent that for a while, the players dont more workload AND some LIV players have qualified for equity money from PGAT and i would they will seek legal advice on this>> <<@calross7143 says : There are only a couple reasons why the PGA met with PIF: 1. They are greedy and want money from PIF to add to what they got from SSG deal and 2. they realized the latter was not enough to reward the top golfers for staying on PGA. Rory saying Greg has to go shows the arrogance of him as PGA golfer and PGA itself...Greg created a golf tour in 2 years that is about to bury the PGA and he thinks PIF would get rid of such a good leader? Compare what Greg did to what Jay did with the PGA in the same time... The only way PGA could compete with LIV is to use their partners to penalize the LIV players...TV bosses, golf courses and ranking. LIV needs to take 4 more of the top players and the camel's back will be broken...and I hope that happens. The PGA forgot something...golfers only earn the money they do because of golf fans, Without fans there would be no sponsors putting up the money and they all would just be amateurs playing for the love of the game. And with all the attempts to punish a rival tour and players to not loose their grip on their monopoly on golf, they only succeeded in robbing golf fans. Golf is not an American sport, it is a world sport...there are more golfers and golf fans outside America than in America, and not all things golf has to be by and for the PGA! The PGA stands a good chance to become irrelevant just like the OWGR...and if the Majors continue to ignore LIV golfers and abide by the fake OWGR, they also stand a chance to fade into just 4 more PGA Elevated Events...just saying>> <<@braydenboyko8525 says : It’s amazing how these guys can make a story that could be told in 30 seconds 10 minutes long 😂 Steve repeated himself 3/4 times about the Veterans Day blunder for no reason and he mentioned his mom and then adds she died and then added she died 5 years ago which he had told Rex before and then mentions that she used to ask why Steve isn’t on tv more …. I think maybe because normally these guys only talk in 15 second intervals they get excited when they don’t have to do that and they just go off…. Also figuring out that you shouldn’t talk when someone’s hitting a shot like they were playing golf themselves isn’t really something you should learn eventually , that should be the number 1 lesson the first day … also these guys talk over peoples swings all the time .:. Hypocrite>> <<@Noeau says : Sands said that he cannot see Liv players coming back to pga and competing without punishment. Rex said he cannot see how team golf can work on the pga side. Im puzzled how someone as connected to pga as the two of them are, cannot see that Liv players doesn’t want to come back to pga and team golf won’t work in the pga and that each league will coexist and not merge under one banner. I think they will create events where the top players from both leagues will qualify and play in combined competition being major like and where points can be fairly earned to get into majors. Liv can fit these co events into their schedule but pga will have a problem with that. They just need to change non elevated events to qualifying events and replace with these co events. Nobody watches non elevated events anyway.>> <<@SiLoMixMaster says : The PGAT didn't make Wyndham Clark a 'star' - the US Open did>> <<@hb-ze4ug says : LOLOLOL!!! They said: "LIV is dead on arrival. It won't last a year." Next year they said: "LIV wont survive the second season." Third season full swing and now they say: "Moronahan screwed it! Now he wants a for profit partnership with LIV and make the PGAT's own LIV with LIV!" Rory and Spieth get diarrhea but then after their vociferous reprieves they go like: "It's Ok, we welcome the talks. We can take our own sh... diarrhea." Woods gets diarrhea but afterwards says: "It's Ok, lets talk. I took Pepto Bismol." PGAT supporters get collective diarrhea and the pharmacy guy says: "Sorry suckers, we're out of Pepto Bismol!" 😁😆🤪>> <<@Tito_1982 says : Steve Sands has his head so far up his 🍑 he might actually believe the PGAT is negotiating from a position of strength!>> <<@douchebagnice says : Your view of the whole LIV golf / PGA tour deal this episode seems a little skeptical and potentially too "american" focused.>> <<@2Thes22 says : You guys don’t get it. The PGA Tour needs the LIV players more than the LIV players need the PGA Tour. End the PGA Tour monopoly.>> <<@2Thes22 says : The guys who stayed on the PGA Tour benefited financially from LIV. The LIV players took a risk in leaving the PGA Tour. They deserve the money. The players who stayed deserve nothing more than the increased pay from the presence of LIV. There is room for both to coexist this 10-12 joint events which would be great for the fans. Returning to the PGA Tour monopoly is good for no one except the people running the PGA Tour.>> <<@OG_Jack says : I wish that Rex would text Steve and say, "HOLD THE FREAKING CAMERA STILL!">> <<@mitchhecht9070 says : biggest mistake is the pga tour making elevated events. all tourneys but the majors, the players. and the fed ex cup should be equal and full field. first place could be 2.75 for all and players can choose their schedule.>> <<@ajs4287 says : 🦈>> <<@tampadan7128 says : I am a lifelong follower of the PGA TOUR, and hate what LIV has done to the tour. With the big meeting on Monday, and after listening to your podcast, I just wonder would it be possible for the current PGA players……top 50 or so to sign a binding agreement to stay with the PGA, and not leave. With the newly raised funds from the billionaires investments, I think we could survive, and continue to grow. We certainly have enough big name players to continue successfully. And I for one do not miss Rahm, Smith, DeChambeau, and Phil the Thrill. 😎⛳️😎>> <<@brianmartinac7834 says : I think all the PGAT guys are missing the real point of LIV …. Everybody keeps saying the American audience the American this American that. We in America act like we are the center of the universe. Yes the American market is important but the growth is in the world market. The American market is shrinking, kids don’t want to play golf, they play video games, they need instant gratification…… in the last what ten years we have had over 1000 golf courses close. I lost one a 1/2 mile from my house three years ago! I know of two others in my metro area that have closed. Even before LIV came into existence the PGAT was suffering. The PGAT has what 40 events a year there are only 52 weeks. The stars now play the 8 signature events the 4 majors and a few other events. So 20 events a year don’t have the stars in them. In short there is no growth for the game left in America …… people are now playing more simulator rounds than real rounds on an actual golf course. I heard an interesting concept on Sirius xm radio pga tour yesterday ….. what if a sponsor forking over $20,000,000 says I am going to offer my sponsors exemptions to Rahm Koepka Johnson DeChambeau etc ……. Would the PGAT say nope and risk the sponsors saying ok we are out???>> <<@gillgareth says : As a major golf fan, which, by the way, is the source of all the revenues that world golf generates, we want to see the best golfers compete against each other. The Players Tournament, for me, is with a massive asterisk, and so will the first major of this year as well as all majors going forward. Solution = scrap OWGR and start again, but the new ranking enity needs to be independent from golf associations. Take note that the customer is always right!!!!!>> <<@washredskin887 says : Sands is always on vacation!!>> <<@Hoboski says : Oh and replace Lav with sands>> <<@Hoboski says : Rex can you do more of this behind the scenes TV stuff. As someone who knows nothing about the tv business it is pretty interesting>> <<@jsiemering68 says : LIV golfers are banned right now from playing any PGA Tour events. Doesn't that mean they are being punished? No other tour is banning the 54 LIV players. What did the LIV players do wrong? They are all independent contractors and went to play on a different tour. If you want all the best players on the LIV tour to come back why would you suspend them or make them go through Q-school. That is just punishing the fans.>> <<@nickparker5735 says : I am genuinely confused as to why everyone has forgotten why June 6th happened! PGAT was staring bankruptcy in the face because a) they couldn't afford to keep up with the prize money (at the time pre SSG) and b) PIF would keep them in the courts with it's $650bn fund until the PGAT ran out of money. June 6th was a truce, a 180 degrees from Jay Monahan accepting he had no other choice! Then he goes "phew, right let's go and talk to SSG!!" and "we'll just drag out until PIF go away", so PIF take Rahm. If PIF don't get a deal which is basically the same as or better than SSG, Rory or Scottie will be next. PIF didn't want to do LIV, they wanted some of the PGAT action. Monahan went all high and mighty and got burned, and he will get burned again!>> <<@bradleyolson3608 says : Sands is so stupid, all the pga players gained financially by staying, why would they be pissed? all golfers made more money since 2022 when LIV started, "pathway back?" hell no, LIV players dont want to play 25-30 tounaments again, maybe 3 or 4 more. Sands is part of the corrupt golf media whore naritave.>> <<@edwardcreighton2638 says : Hope Lav enjoys many adult beverages. Good conversation between Rex and Steve. I would like the LIV players to be penalised after the reunion, don't see that happening.>> <<@yoshlay says : Important to note: LIV players do not want to come back to the PGA Tour, except for a few tournaments.>> <<@bradleyshaw4199 says : Here’s the REAL story behind,,,,,,,, 5 years ago Tiger, Greg, PIF and Jay meet secretly to pre organise a mega move. Yes “ let’s get some old fashioned hate into golf, Hate the Saudi’s, hate Greg, Hate Tiger and definitely hate Jay, allow the crowd to boil for a year or two, tell lies, make up stories and then when all fans have settled into each camp. Organise the MEGA Team tour',,,,,,,,, yes LIV vs PGA four times a year, USA, Asia, Aus and South Africa as venues, also allow top LIV players into all majors and have one invite team from PGAT into LIV events. These guys are brilliant the way they have played us all into thinking they did not know what was going on.>> <<@damonkatos4271 says : Liv golf can have their own world golf ranking and major championships. Problem solved.>> <<@Kid_Senekal says : Scottie is in a rich vein of form and I'm a huge fan of his demeanor and attitude. But for me, the "Hall of Fame" talk is a bit premature. I mean he's won 1 major and 11 pro tour wins. He's at the crossroads now where he can go down the road of Brooks and get a few majors - or down the road of David Duval - World number 1, 1 major, 20 PGA tour wins but we all know how his career went. I hope he goes down the road of Brooks and even surpasses him on majors and eventually go into Mickelson territory on 40+ PGA wins.>> <<@uy7535 says : It was inevitable a tour like this would come , golf is a world game , just look at the amount of international players that have won on the PGA tour , look at the Europeans record in the Ryder Cup . As a Aussie the LIV tour is the only chance i will ever have in my lifetime to see a field of Major winners downunder . Nicklaus, Hogan , Snead , Watson , Player , Palmer , Faldo , Seve , Tiger etc would once travel the globe to play national opens for the fans enjoyment. PGA of America is not the centre of golfing universe , even though we know you want iit to be = get used to it ! . Also the Masters is the only free to air tournament in Australia, I have to pay a premium to watch any other world : tournament / event , once they were all free , if there's a drop in player participation in future it because of GREED . I'm a lifetime low handicap player that has spent a mega amount of money on equipment , magazines, green fee's , membership etc ., I got into the game by watching these tourneys on TV as a kid , because seeing these great players and venues inspired me . Australia is a rip off $$$ now - not everyone has rich daddy to pay per view ! .>> <<@bdubs3568 says : I know that both of you are PGAT guys, by contract and by favor. I also know that both of you are highly intelligent, though you mock each other against that premise. I don't know if by contract you are able to look at this PIF/LIV/PGAT deal from the outside looking in, but...in what business world would the PIF invest billions of dollars into a reconciliation of the tours and not have substantial control over the new entity? Another way to ask this is... Why would PIF invest in a company that it could easily dominate financially, with what I think we can all agree their true goal outcome to be as bettering the standing of the Saudi Kingdom in the eyes of the world, would they allow the PGAT and players to have control over their investment? Also, since it is agreed that the players that left for LIV, have already had a massive toll taken on them by losing contracts with sponsors, would they ever pay their way back to the players that weren't willing to take that risk? Another point is, could you really envision a scenario where Jon Rahm, Brooks Koepka, et al, really playing their way through a minor tour back to the PGAT? What would that do to the future of golf that are young up and comers graduating college golf and those already in the system from DP, KF, and the other tours? Wouldn't that limit the growth of the game? Didn't Jay Monahan say that the strength of the PGAT is that young players make their name coming up to the PGAT? How would having the likes of Rahm, Neimann, Brooks, Bryson, Cam Smith, and the many others hinder that growth. These are the question and likely the issues that are being discussed within these meetings.>> <<@jimiverson3085 says : Scheffler is on a bit more than a heater with his ball striking. He's been doing this week in and week out for a couple of year. The thing to be seen is if he sustains his recent putting. If so, he could well be a generational type of player, like Tom Watson. That constitutes damn fine play. But Woods and Nicklaus are another step up from that. Not saying Scheffler can't do it, but there is a reason there aren't many names on the list with the two of them - really just Vardon, Jones and post-war Hogan.>> <<@MegaAustin29 says : Why will pga tour players be upset with LVI golfer coming to the pga without punishment>> <<@billfairless6256 says : Jay didn't pivot he straight up lied to the players, the fans, the sponsors and the media. This man is not to be trusted let alone be given a position of authority.>> <<@markkovacs494 says : The PGA is operating on borrowed time and $1.5 billion buys only a little breathing room. PIF, on the other hand, with $160 billion can be patient and just pick off the PGA's top players as they become inceasing more disillusioned with the PGA lack of leadership and vision>> <<@markkovacs494 says : First off, LIV guys are not paying any price to come back to PGA. You guys are delusional. Second, LIV and PIF are thinking super long-term. They are not going to be USA centric. They will ultimately have teams based on geography. Japan vs. Australia vs. Spain vs. South Africa vs. USA. Once that happens team golf will get alot of eyeballs.>> <<@mpc77769 says : IMHO, the show is better without Lavner>> <<@MrGolferguy13 says : I could watch the two of you weekly… honest opinions>> <<@1362pc says : Sands is a classic PGAT guy...brainwashed to the hilt....>> <<@1362pc says : LIV players will not come back if they must be punished...period>> <<@1362pc says : Americans bashing Saudis on human rights abuses are epic hypocrites...are they so brainwashed?>> <<@1362pc says : How does SSG ever get a ROI if PIF does not join?>> <<@ronbritton9951 says : Is Tiger playing in the masters this year?>>